tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16761020.post5828500313502675132..comments2023-10-20T21:52:36.752+05:30Comments on Cross Connections: Kashmir's Inner DemonsFarzana Verseyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06891229615361937135noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16761020.post-48038737469797562772010-07-17T00:26:31.021+05:302010-07-17T00:26:31.021+05:30Al:
The history of Kashmir is not as simple as Me...Al:<br /><br />The history of Kashmir is not as simple as Mehbooba Mufti’s family history. And separatist movement preceded the kidnapping of her sister. It wasn’t even called jihad in those days. <br /><br />If the movement for autonomy was not legitimate the GOI would not be participating in dialogue with separatists, and Pakistan. Therefore, it is more than parochial interests. <br /><br /><i>FV:"The larger Kashmir issue is this – peace for the people by the people and of the people."<br /><br />FV, I believe that would be ignoring the rather large part Pakistan plays in instigating violence in that state. People who commit violence against the state should face all the violence the state can heap on them -- there is only one entity that is allowed to use violence and that is the Indian state. If pakistani proxies want to try their hand in committing violence on Indian citizens in J&K or elsewhere, they are welcome to try and fail and pay for it with their lives.</i><br /><br />It is not merely Pakistani infiltrators who are losing their lives. It is mostly civilians, local militants and our security personnel. <br /><br />Re. the Hurriyat, anyone participating in a political dialogue and there are factions of the Hurriyat. There is one extreme faction that is aligned to Pakistan. Elections in J&K are a joke. Period. <br /><br /><i> "The larger Kashmir issue is this – peace for the people by the people and of the people."<br /><br /> Nonsense. The larger issue is Pakistani initiated terrorism in J&K. The Kashmiris live off taxpayer money from the rest of India, and constantly complain that they are being oppressed, even as they send their Hindu Kashmiri compatriots to live in refugee camps in srinagar...and we are all supposed to sympathize with the same scumbags who took over all the land and property of the same people living in New Delhi? Sure, why not.</i><br /><br />What are your sources? If the Kashmiris are living off the Indian tax-payer’s money, then going by what you say, the Indian tax-payer is helping insurgency. Your stand is completely limited. As for Kashmiri Pundits, yeah, sure, they all live in refugee camps and were sent off. I have said it several times, there is enough material on what happened that made them leave and who was behind it. You better think a bit before talking about Kashmiris (I assume you mean the non-pandits) complaining of being oppressed. They are oppressed. <br /><br /><i>As long as there are external entities manipulating events in J&K, the Indian govt. can only manage the situation. Solving J&K requires non interference from Pakistan and China, but one would have to actually pay attention to the news to know stuff like that.</i><br /><br />Right. So, ‘news’ from media sources is all we have to depend on, and suddenly the media becomes so right. Everybody knows that there are external entities, and it is the job of the Indian government to more than ‘manage the situation’. China is not important here, but Pakistan is. There are parts of Kashmir in that country; autonomy was the issue, until we let go off the opportunity and alienated our people. Now, we have to live with tripartite talks. Incidentlaly, the GOI has often preferred to talk with Pakistan rather than the Kashmiris. Read Yasin Malik’s old statements. <br /><br /><i>This article stands out for its worthless analysis, with all due respect.</i><br /><br />As long as it stands out and gets you to think/fume, it is bloody worth it, with all due respect.<br /><br />PS: I have said what I wanted to here and in several pieces and they will reappear. My positions are clear. I will not be able to engage in further back-and-forth dialogue on the same thing, although you may say what you wish to. <br /><br />Circle:<br /><br />Kashmir is a burning issue because no one wants to solve it. Neither Indian nor Pakistan is interested in the people of the region.FVnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16761020.post-78110779177229184882010-07-12T11:58:27.919+05:302010-07-12T11:58:27.919+05:30Y Kashmir is still a burning issue? when Kashmiris...Y Kashmir is still a burning issue? when Kashmiris have no choice left..even Pakistan backed out from backing them for their freedom.<br /><br />circleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16761020.post-54526089603805193802010-07-11T18:06:25.127+05:302010-07-11T18:06:25.127+05:30As long as there are external entities manipulatin...As long as there are external entities manipulating events in J&K, the Indian govt. can only manage the situation. Solving J&K requires non interference from Pakistan and China, but one would have to actually pay attention to the news to know stuff like that.Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17466080577775638826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16761020.post-89881026535023222232010-07-11T18:04:24.009+05:302010-07-11T18:04:24.009+05:30"The larger Kashmir issue is this – peace for..."The larger Kashmir issue is this – peace for the people by the people and of the people."<br /><br />Nonsense. The larger issue is Pakistani initiated terrorism in J&K. The Kashmiris live off taxpayer money from the rest of India, and constantly complain that they are being oppressed, even as they send their Hindu Kashmiri compatriots to live in refugee camps in srinagar...and we are all supposed to sympathize with the same scumbags who took over all the land and property of the same people living in New Delhi? Sure, why not.<br /><br />This article stands out for its worthless analysis, with all due respect.Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17466080577775638826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16761020.post-50765742755071504142010-07-10T02:11:13.583+05:302010-07-10T02:11:13.583+05:30FV: "This is word-play. The Hurriyat leaders ...FV: "This is word-play. The Hurriyat leaders are politicians too, although not elected by the people. "<br /><br />The Hurriyat also openly takes money from Pakistan, so let us not pretend that these Hurriyat jokers are in the same category as political parties like the PDP or the NC that actually stood in elections and won them, unlike the Hurriyat that takes orders from Islamabad and trots out various excuses for not taking part in Indian elections.Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17466080577775638826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16761020.post-30978295495428200982010-07-10T02:08:44.602+05:302010-07-10T02:08:44.602+05:30FV:"The larger Kashmir issue is this – peace ...FV:"The larger Kashmir issue is this – peace for the people by the people and of the people."<br /><br />FV, I believe that would be ignoring the rather large part Pakistan plays in instigating violence in that state. People who commit violence against the state should face all the violence the state can heap on them -- there is only one entity that is allowed to use violence and that is the Indian state. If pakistani proxies want to try their hand in committing violence on Indian citizens in J&K or elsewhere, they are welcome to try and fail and pay for it with their lives.Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17466080577775638826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16761020.post-10709920380478742062010-07-10T02:03:00.752+05:302010-07-10T02:03:00.752+05:30FV: "Mehbooba Mufti has blamed both the centr...FV: "Mehbooba Mufti has blamed both the central and state governments. "Law and order is directly controlled by New Delhi. Now the governor has passed an order asking all departments to submit a monthly progress report on development activities to him directly. So, what does Abdullah do?”"<br /><br />Mehbooba Mufti works for Pakistani interests and does not mind violent jihad as a tool towards "independent Kashmir" -- she and her family are straightout terrorist-sympathizers in J&K (let us recall that the Jihad in J&K started in 1990 with the fake kidnapping of Mehbooba Mufti's sister and MOhammed Mufti abusing his role as Home Minister of India to free his daughter) and they are not shy with their opinions either. So Mehbooba's views on such matters must be treated with the contempt it deserves.<br /><br />People who want to compromise the territorial integrity and their overground supporters are not allowed to pretend that they speak for Indian interests -- they speak for their own parochial interests, nothing more.Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17466080577775638826noreply@blogger.com