tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16761020.post8833890028386129723..comments2023-10-20T21:52:36.752+05:30Comments on Cross Connections: The Labs of Boston, Woolwich, Chhattisgarh: Farzana Verseyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06891229615361937135noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16761020.post-10066865938641333362013-06-03T21:31:22.789+05:302013-06-03T21:31:22.789+05:30F&F:
If you see the Maoist uprising as the sa...F&F:<br /><br />If you see the Maoist uprising as the same as the Gujarat genocide, then I have nothing to say. But, of course, you are not a saffronite. <br /><br />-New converts to religion or ideology tend to be more aggressive. I'd want to know why they gave up their religion at all. However, Wilders, Breivik, McVeigh did not convert, neither do the forces stationed in conflict areas where the west tries to 'save' them. <br /><br />-{I and many others I know (none of them an RSS worker) have already formed our conclusions.} <br /><br />I am glad you have a group that works in tandem and forms its conclusions. <br /><br />-{Do you think a Woolwich is unlikely to happen in India?...} <br /><br />I am surprised you need a western attack to not notice that we have had many more in India. Whether it was by Islamic groups or Hindutva fundamentalists or govt agencies (notice that this piece is about counter-insurgency by the Congress, a fact you ignore because it suits your pov to conveniently concentrate on the Hindu-Muslim factor alone). The saffronites use the 'You know what happened to us during the Muslim conquests centuries ago', which is kind of weird. <br /><br />-Re the Munich Olympics, who were the targets? Israelis. The attackers? Palestinians, whose land has been occupied for years. I will skip the niceties of all violence is bad, because I assume someone with a modicum of sense will figure it out. I am not writing a bleeding heart piece. Seculars do not need to prove it. <br /><br />-Kasab's group is from Pakistan. What the LeT does is known, and that includes killing Pakistanis. I wonder about our security preparedness. <br /><br />-{I am only extending your argument that a global Ummah is a myth. Is that what they tell the new converts in mosques these days?}<br /><br />You don't need to be a convert or even a believer to understand that. In fact, there is a lot of RSS shakha type pamphleteering that teaches you myths about others. Of course, those who wear tinted glasses will only everything in that colour. <br /><br />I have had my say in my piece on other issues and I let you have your say. I am not moving on inch on any of the points. <br /><br />---<br /><br />PS: Next time you comment, please stick to the subject without discussing your problems. Only because some of your comments are not posted - please tell us just how many as opposed to the one's that pass through - you cannot sneak in motives or claim a higher moral ground. <br /><br />And one more thing, a comment from anyone cannot wound my pride; it can offend my taste and the basic dignity I expect. The tendency to talk about free speech is disingenuous because you and others have a problem with my free speech. How many times have I been told about the 'tolerant Hindu' (always interchangeable with Indian) who allows me to have my say. <br /><br />Am glad you saved your comment. You can share it with your group that has reached conclusions. <br /><br />FVnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16761020.post-72164045803899109952013-06-01T18:44:14.295+05:302013-06-01T18:44:14.295+05:30FV,
You have a problem not with the violence per ...FV,<br /><br />You have a problem not with the violence per se, but with the interpretation that the govt chooses to put on it (See, I am A Moron Who Can Read). Pragmatic worldview! I hope Honest Bloggers With Principles give the same privilege to the mobs around Gulberg society and Naroda Patiya.<br /><br />---<br /><br />1. The Naxal problem is qualitatively different from the Islamic Jihad. The fact that new converts to Islam have mounted bloody attacks on unsuspecting civilians would make me wonder as to what exactly brought about the change (They did not do any such thing in their previous religion). I wanted to bring this out in my comments on your Woolwich post until The Wounded Pride of Honest Bloggers made me retreat.<br /><br />2. The reverse is not true. I have not heard of a single case of a Muslim converting to another religion and then going after Muslims with a vengeance - and a cleaver. Neither is there a new convert to Naxalism who began blasting IEDs in weeks. I and many others I know (none of them an RSS worker) have already formed our conclusions. <br /><br />Personally, I am willing to be corrected.<br /><br />3. I agree that the arguments against Islamic Jihad seem to be morphing into a mirror-Jihad themselves. So is that a good thing or bad?<br /><br />4. Do you think a Woolwich is unlikely to happen in India? I do not. The 'They are doing it to our people' argument is the actual smokescreen - if you notice, that is! Woolwich would have happened even if USA and UK had not gone to Afghanistan or Iraq. Munich massacre of athletes took place before any non-Muslim country invaded any Islamic country. The athletes had nothing to do with the 'grievances' of the masked gunmen who relished in the bloodbath. Ajmal Kasab's 'people' had not been oppressed by India - least of all by the commuters at CST station, Cama Hospital etc.<br /><br />I am only extending your argument that a global Ummah is a myth. Is that what they tell the new converts in mosques these days?<br /><br />I am saving the text with me this time. :)Free and Footloosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911514463551198170noreply@blogger.com